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Post by leopard_pagan on Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:01 pm

These are whats on the Bumblebee.
the prev owner took off the fronts because they were shaking above 50Mph but "wasnt always doing that"....
there are balance weights on the inside of at least one that i looked at.
Anyone know what these are, should i have anything else on the hub?
PS i also have a full set of Steel rims with tyres + a spare Cool

Think they are these: TSW Quad.
http://www.tsw.com/img/quad_silver_reg_normal_grey.jpg

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Post by Logi on Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:26 pm

Are they 4x108?
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Post by leopard_pagan on Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:43 pm

didnt measure & wont be over again for a couple of days.
they were fitted all round the van, so assume they do fit.
with new stuff.. its figuring out whats been done.
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Post by HighlyJetted on Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:46 pm

Don't think TSW make many 4x110 rims. Bodgy bodge I bet & poorly studs.

175/70/13 are a bit big for a hijet and they'll catch the arches on some turns.

Plus they will make the steering feel really heavy.

If they are 4x110 not 4x108 I'd look at getting smaller tyres for them, at least on the front axle.

For a little bit of fun, I'd bet 50p they are 4x108, but I hope they are 4x110 for your sakes.

Measure real carefully as it not alot of difference but so so important.
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Post by leopard_pagan on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:11 am

ok so how do i measure em? got digi callipers to hand.. but will be a couple of days before i get back in to do anything with them.

i did notice one wheel nut out of the 4 not quite in all the way on the steel rims on the front............. Shocked

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Post by HighlyJetted on Mon Apr 01, 2013 1:19 pm

I measure like this for easy:-

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Post by leopard_pagan on Mon Apr 01, 2013 2:05 pm

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Post by leopard_pagan on Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:17 pm

if i measure starting from 100mm... it measures 108mm
if i start from the end of the tape.. it measures 110mm
so heres a pic with tape in situe.. but not held down as tape kept on falling away!

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Post by HighlyJetted on Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:48 pm

I'm sure you'll get the truth with a few attempts.

I wouldn't use the end of the tape as it pushes and pulls for builder style accuracy!

But from that photo I would guess that they are 108mm
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Post by leopard_pagan on Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:28 pm

Cool if they are.

Do alloys really get stolen that easy to have to use locking wheel nuts?
i hate them with a passion!
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Post by HighlyJetted on Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:33 pm

The only time I have had alloy wheels stolen is when they have been in my garden.

Bastard scrap metal thieves!! I've had 3 sets nicked in total from my garden over the years.

Last set of wheels they stole from my garden were worth a small fortune, and they will have just weighed them in the daft gits and got £50 for a set of wheels that'd get best part of £400 on ebay.

They also stole the radiators and cat converters.

Now everything is kept locked away. Except for the dog.
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Post by leopard_pagan on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:07 pm

if they fit/work etc.. they would be fitted.. & the steel set kept in the shed out of sight.
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Post by HighlyJetted on Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:33 pm

PCD 4x110mm wheels fitted with wobble nuts are sort of safe-ish as long as the centre bore matches the flange on the hub so it all stays centred.

No wobble nuts is a nasty accident waiting to happen as the studs are forced to bend and incorrectly loaded. And as most alloys are wider with a larger offset they are putting even more load on the studs than normal.

I like my wheels to stay on when I'm cornering. It's sort of a key issue in my little deluded reality.

I don't know how anyone can be so clueless to force fit a set of 108's on a 110 hub without noticing or thinking to them self - is this safe?! I guess ignorance is bliss.
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Post by Logi on Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:23 am

Its hard to tell from the pix, but I reckon looking at the stud holes theyre 108s forced on. The stud holes look a wee bit less than perfectly round?
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Post by leopard_pagan on Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:05 am

yeah i did spot that O-ness.
will see if i can enrol a mate to hold the tape better.
when i measure em.. i get 2 measurements.
And plz excuse my confusion... 110mm = Smile 108mm = Shocked
I didn't fit this lot, but I am certainly checking they are ok/not as from the little I have read on here about rims... It's not easy to get the right ones & is why I am checking.

If they aren't right.. Like other stuff off the van not wanted.. Will sell em.

wobble nuts?.. google here i come!
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Post by Logi on Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:25 am

Prob cos the holes are a bit elongated creates disparity in the measurements, Hijets are an arsehole to get wheels for, unless you buy new. But as many here have proved, perseverence pays off Smile
I had a wheel.come off a.Marina van i.had yeqrs ago, Fiat 132 wheels stuffed on(2-3mm difference, 95.25 as opposed to 98) sheared the studs, wheel goes bye bye, suddenly I have a Reliant Robin......
I dont give a flying f*** what others say, dont fit 108s. Its dangerous. Suddenly having a three wheeler at 60 mph isnt fun, trust me.
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Post by HighlyJetted on Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:35 am

Logi wrote:I dont give a flying f*** what others say, dont fit 108s. Its dangerous. Suddenly having a three wheeler at 60 mph isnt fun, trust me.

Amen to that. Wheels are quite important Laughing
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Post by leopard_pagan on Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:04 am

Ok... still confuzed....
110s are Ok to use?
Bear in mind that I havnt been reading the alloy threads as didn't need to..... Till now.
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Post by HighlyJetted on Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:11 am

The Hijet has a 4x110mm PCD
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Post by leopard_pagan on Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:40 pm

Could I get away with the 108s & fit with wobbly nuts?
Still only just looking at this one.
2nd option is to sell the rims & get the steel set powder coated silver?
Rim tape..... Feck I hate that stuff!!!
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Post by Logi on Wed Apr 03, 2013 2:53 pm

Nowt wrong wi some rimmin............ Razz

Wobbly bolts arent a good idea unless your wheels are hubcentric, only the fronts are on a Hijet, the rears are lugcentric
( thatll give you summat to look up on Googly )
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Post by leopard_pagan on Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:32 pm

been a googling... lemme see if i got it right.. or understand it.

Hubcentric = is a spacer/filler that needs to take up slack between the hub & rim centre/hole

lugcentric = correct flush seating of the wheel nut in to the rim.





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Post by HighlyJetted on Wed Apr 03, 2013 4:37 pm

Yep, and most cars don't have a hub location ring - they just have wheels that the centre bore fits the hubs correctly.

p.s a set of wobbly nuts would burn a £70 hole in your pocket too.
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Post by leopard_pagan on Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:04 pm

£40-50 for 20 on flea bay
found the "size" from daihatsu drivers web site......

aim this weekend to have all the wheels off & look at steering, grease up, & will see if prev owner even had wobbly nuts.. etc.. on this thing.. bet he didnt!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/20-X-M12-X-1-5-VARIABLE-WOBBLY-TAPERED-ALLOY-WHEEL-NUTS-FIT-CHRYSLER-SEBRING-/200847373669?pt=UK_Cars_Parts_Vehicles_Wheels_tyres_Trim_Nuts_ET&hash=item2ec36fb565

& hub location rings....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p3984.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0&_nkw=hub+location+ring&_sacat=0&_from=R40
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Post by HighlyJetted on Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:50 pm

They are really cheap compared to when I last looked for wobble nuts.

A bargain at that sort of money.

When you add it all up, I paid about the same for each of the both sets of pcd4x110 wheels I've got. You just have to wait for them to turn up.
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Post by HighlyJetted on Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:51 pm

Oh yes, and don't forget, you're still on a bit of a wobbly standing on the back wheels, because the hijet is lugcentric (new word of the day!) on the rear e.g. no centre hub
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Post by Logi on Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:06 pm

leopard_pagan wrote:been a googling... lemme see if i got it right.. or understand it.

Hmmm, so you didn't need to Google rimming then?... lol!
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