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Post by elfin girl on Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:38 pm

So, it failed the mot, needs an exhaust, a bit of welding and the front headlight replaced

Was all going well, found someone who has exhausts, but he doesn't know wheich one will fit on my van so have tried to take some pictures to email him, he doesn't do technical stuff so waiting for a call from him when he's home so his kids can help him.

Welding can be done at the garage

I have a spare headlight, glass was already loose at the top. so have had it in the oven on low for 10 mins.... I've just had it out to tease it a bit see how far it's coming off ... Glass has broken

So, I can't do it, which means for the sake of a poxy headlight looks like I'm going to have to sell it, like now, as the mot expires tomorrow (10th)

£150 anyone? Come and collect
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Post by Logi on Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:58 pm

FFS see Woody, he'll send you a glass, just don't be so rough Razz
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Post by elfin girl on Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:07 pm

Logi wrote:FFS see Woody, he'll send you a glass, just don't be so rough Razz

Didn't think anyone had any headlights! And rough? I've got RA, I struggle to do anything that requires strength! It feels like someone's been randomly hitting me with a hammer before I've done anything!
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Post by Logi on Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:11 pm

Plenty of shitty headlights if all you need is a glass, better to use a heat gun as well to get the glass off.
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Post by elfin girl on Tue Jan 10, 2017 7:17 pm

Oh, well, but don't have a heat gun, and I don't have a vehicle to go anywhere and get one!!
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Re: Well that's it then

Post by Woodie on Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:19 pm

Well done Logi. I have just PM'd Elfin Girl so I hope to speak with her soon this evening and try and get her back on the road.

In case you haven't got my private message yet E.G. PM me your mobile number and I will call you back straight away.
Don't want you worrying unduly about this and particularly selling your Hi-Jet. You hang on to your Baby. Laughing
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Re: Well that's it then

Post by Woodie on Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:34 pm

I know that it is like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted but it just proves the importance of getting your vehicle in 30 DAYS BEFORE THE MOT EXPIRES.
I have a sticky label on the top of the Windscreen behind the interior mirror of every one of my five road worthy vehicles with : Date the Road Fund licence runs out, Date the Insurance runs out and Date the Mot runs out.

I have also put all five cars above relevant details on the calendar on my phone calendar with audible warning on the reminder so that you have two sources of reference and don't get in a pickle like you are in now, but this is for each and every one of you to do, and do it sooner now rather than later. Say " Yes Woody". Louder, so I can here you. lol!
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Post by Logi on Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:59 pm

Or do as I do, get it MOT'd then fix whats wrong with it at your leisure .... Wink
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Post by Woodie on Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:30 pm

Bit of a problem with that Logi - legally. If it fails then the failure is automatically recorded in Swansea and you will be driving illegally - other than back to home from the Mot.
It also nullifies your vehicle insurance.
The way I get round it is to book it in for a PRE-MOT checkover and the results aren't on the DVLA Computer then. Bit of a grey area possibly but I have been told not illegal. I haven't checked it out as ignorance is bliss.
A couple of garages I use will do this for me and only charge me for the one test after I have done the work ASAP and taken it back to have a retest as it were. They know that I am 100% honest with them so they are ok with me in doing that.

Just depends how well you know and the relationship with your local garage.
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Re: Well that's it then

Post by Woodie on Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:38 pm

Still waiting for your reply Elfin Girl. Anytime up to 11 tonight.
Yes, Rheumatoid Arthritis is an awful affliction. I have Arthritis in my spine, hands and a little in the knees. 2 teaspoons ofCider Vinegar in warm water with honey or in a fruit squash twice a day works wonders for me in 7 to 10 days. Ideally you need to take it twice every day.
Trouble is that once the pain has subsided you tend to stop taking it. I don't know what or if it will do for the muscle pain. Probably not much.
I had M. E. for 16 years and that also was very debilitating.
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Re: Well that's it then

Post by Logi on Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:28 pm

Woodie wrote:Bit of a problem with that Logi - legally. If it fails then the failure is automatically recorded in Swansea and you will be driving illegally - other than back to home from the Mot.
It also nullifies your vehicle insurance.
The way I get round it is to book it in for a PRE-MOT checkover and the results aren't on the DVLA Computer then. Bit of a grey area possibly but I have been told not illegal. I haven't checked it out as ignorance is bliss.
A couple of garages I use will do this for me  and only charge me for the one test after I have done the work ASAP and taken it back to have a retest as it were. They know that I am 100% honest with them so they are ok with me in doing that.

Just depends how well you know and the relationship with your local garage.

You need to read my post a bit more carefully Wink
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Post by HighlyJetted on Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:34 pm

Woodie wrote: legally. If it fails then the failure is automatically recorded in Swansea and you will be driving illegally

An MOT is issued for 365 from the day it is issued, and only ensures the vehicle is road worthy at the time as presented for the test.

It is against the law in the UK to drive without a valid MOT certificate, except for certain circumstances.

Failing an MOT does not invalidate the previous MOT certificate.

I've heard this old yarn spun a thousand times. There is no way you are breaking any MOT testing requirement law while you are still in date of your previous certificate!
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Re: Well that's it then

Post by elfin girl on Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:45 pm

Thanks everyone, I've pmd Woody back, but it's late now so will talk to him tomorrow
Re the MOT it is all a bit of grey area, a while back the on the gvnmt website it stated clearly that a failed MOT would override any time left on the previous passed MOT and it would be illegal to drive anywhere other than somewhere to get it fixed or a booked MOT ... however they have changed the wording and it now says
"you can take your veheicle away if your MOT is still valid"
But "it still needs to meet the minimum standards of road worthiness "

Which we are led to believe is being able to pass an MOT !?

my mate contacted me worried I'd get done for driving it to the shops on my way home as she recently got 3 points and a fine for doing the same
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Post by elfin girl on Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:50 pm

Oh, and it runs out tomorow! Which is why I didn't get it done last month as wouldnt have been able to see the family at Christmas, I've also had a poorly elderly dog that's been backwards and forwards to the vets through Nov/Dec
As they say, it never rains but it pours ... Or in my case at the moment, the road floods because a water pipe has burst then all the tarmack lifts and you end up with a crater/lake in the middle of the road
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Post by Woodie on Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:53 pm

Yes you can take it away to home or to a repairer " by the most direct route"  it used to read. Stopping on the way for shopping is a definite no-no. A friend of mine did a similar thing to by some cigarettes and he also got a fine and 3 points on his licence.

If it has failed then it is in an unroadworthy state and therefore not legal for road use. That is the way I understand it anyway. I will get clarification of this tomorrow morning and post what I find out.
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Post by Woodie on Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:36 am

I did read your post correctly Logi and I think I know what you meant. Not many of our members have other vehicles available to use like you and me, while we do the work on our Vans. Daniel is in the same boat as Elfin Girl with Mot about to run out and only the one vehicle to use. He got his headlight out in a few minutes yesterday as I was relaying instructions over the phone. And he got the glass off too. Well done Daniel. Laughing

My Mot on the MPV ran out in December and so did the tax, so it sat on my drive at home until I felt well enough to do the work
needed to get it through an Mot. One of the jobs was the number plate lights and the Headlights relay as you kindly commented on the step by step pictures.
Annoyingly I had to SORN it as the tax was out. 6 days later I took it for Mot and it went straight through with no observations even.

I took it back home, and found the Tax/SORN application form and went back into Ventnor in my car to get it taxed. Presented the Post Office with the SORN form and also took the fresh Mot with me just in case it wasn't yet on the DVLA System. It was.

BUT they couldn't use the SORN form to Tax it with as it had been SORN'ed already with the form. Only way that you can re-tax it is to use the Registration Document. So it was back to Niton and collect the Reg. Documents then back to Ventnor to get it taxed.
I could swear that in the past I have used the form to retax a SORN'd vehicle.
Perhaps it's my addled brain playing tricks on me.
My memory has certainly worsened since the two Strokes at Easter, and I have particularly noticed that I have a job remembering or pronouncing my "Worms" ( thank you for that wonderful sketch Ronnie Barker).
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Post by HighlyJetted on Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:06 am

elfin girl wrote: "you can take your vehicle away if your MOT is still valid"
But "it still needs to meet the minimum standards of road worthiness "
Which we are led to believe is being able to pass an MOT !?

Well this is true. Your vehicle always needs to be "Fit for the highway".

Having a bulb blown makes your vehicle not fit for the highway, but that doesn't bother most people.

Having the vehicle that dirty that you cannot read the rear number plate from a reasonable distance makes it not fit for the highway.

Having no water in your windscreen washers makes it not fit for the highway.

And seeing as you just failed the MOT on certain things, your vehicle has not been fit for the highway for quite some time. Just you were blissfully unaware of it!

Your MOT certificate is still valid though for 365 days.

The previous statements about making an MOT void are 100% false. You would not get convicted of driving without a valid MOT.
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Post by Woodie on Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:58 am

Matt you know that I have a GREAT RESPECT for your knowledge of the Mot laws and your great knowledge of things mechanical and your computer skills to access the necessary Websites. We all know my skills there. Rolling Eyes

I have just contacted the DVLA (formerly VOSA) in Swansea presumably, and spoke with a lady there called Marion and explained the scenario to her. She reaffirms to me that if the the last Mot is still current but it fails the Mot test then it is only legal to drive it to a repair garage or to home.
As you know that if the vehicle is in a dangerous condition - faulty brakes, broken suspension etc and a form issued to that effect, then it can't be legally driven away from the Mot Station even.

Unless you have different information. With respect to you, Stuart.
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Re: Well that's it then

Post by Logi on Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:13 am

I'm going to have to agree with Matt, picture this, my van has six months left, I decide to sell it, sells better with a years MOT, so I put it in. It fails miserably. I sell it with the old MOT. The buyer knows nothing.
Exactly what happened with my old van. I bought it, found it had failed but still drove it for the six months of old MOT without any issue.
( INCLUDING GETTING DONE FOR NO SEATBELT)
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Post by Woodie on Wed Jan 11, 2017 2:42 pm

Cor, this is dragging out. I went to a local Mot Garage and spoke with the owner who confirmed that if you have a vehicle Mot'd and it fails then no matter how long a current Mot has on it, then it is NULL AND VOID. The DVLA is automatically updated and if you continue to use it then you are driving illegally with the likelihood of being snapped on an NPR Camera on a Police Car or roadside NPR Camera which means a fine and points on your licence which also bumps up your Insurance Policy price too.

The Secretary of the garage I went to confirmed what the DVSA (formerly VOSA) representative told me this morning.
The Secretary checked on the Website just a few months ago and the law has been changed. So up to any of you to check out the Website for more information and see if you can find out more about it.

My son will be in the same position in a weeks time although his Mot expires on 15th February. I know it will fail, so Dad will have to lend him a car while the garage does the Mot repairs which I can no longer do. But I will get saddled with the bill though for sure!!
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Post by elfin girl on Wed Jan 11, 2017 4:28 pm

I'm feeling rather blessed at the moment, ive been in an unusually low point in life for me, and was totaly struggling to think reasonably and work this out for myself. I have had a night in shining armour come to the rescue, Seems Woody has been ringing around and has sourced some items for me, total life saver.
Looks like the weenybago has life left yet.
faith in humanity restored

I think this MOT discussion is always going to have people divided with differing opinions, I personaly don't like driving without the proper paper work, nor in a vehicle that is unsafe. even when I take it to get new tyres I ask them to let me know if they notice anything untoward which always gets a raised eyebrow, as most do preffer to be blissfully unaware untill it's absolutely necessary to do the work, although I had pointed out at least one of the rusty areas previously and was always told it was fine.
My friend recently got three point and a fine for driving with a failed MOT even though the previous one was still current, and she used be a devout "the MOT lasts a year regardless if it's failed one since"
But again, maybe it's the nature of the fail and how unsafe it makes the vehicle.
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Post by elfin girl on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:05 pm

Umm, yaaayyy, I got the glass off .... Noooooo, it's not much use like that Embarassed thanks for the hairdryer tip Woody, I got the rest off with out much bother! Wish I'd asked you first!
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Post by Woodie on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:08 pm

Just been to the garage and couldn't find a glass lense so have brought a similar state headlight back with me to get the glass off tomorrow.
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Post by elfin girl on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:18 pm

Woodie wrote:Just been to the garage and couldn't find a glass lense so have brought a similar state headlight back with me to get the glass off tomorrow.

Thankyou so much, your are a star Very Happy
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Post by Woodie on Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:59 pm

Star.??!! I'm fading fast. About as bright as the reflector in your headlight. Like a Star @ heaven
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Post by HighlyJetted on Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:21 am

elfin girl wrote:
My friend recently got three point and a fine for driving with a failed MOT even though the previous one was still current, and she used be a devout "the MOT lasts a year regardless if it's failed one since"

I call bullshit. There are no points issues for driving without an MOT, but a maximum £1000 fine. Click "Penalty Table".

Check here https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/annex-5-penalties

I know, I "parked" an un MOT'd, uninsured car in someones front garden, straight though their garden wall Wink Police arrived, I went to court etc etc.

You will get 3 points and a conviction on your licence for "Driving a Vehicle in a Dangerous Condition" CU10, thus 2 bald tyres is 6 points.

100 million billion percent, an MOT failure does not invalidate an MOT. The certificate is issued and valid for 365 days from test date.

MOT testers and VOSA folk are not lawyers or legal guidance professionals, Neither am I.

This is not a division of opinion, this is legal fact.

Yes an MOT failure is recorded on the DVSA database. True.

Think of this, if you failed the MOT 2 months before the certificate expired, had the work done as required by the failure certificate, the vehicle is road worthy, and still has a valid MOT certificate.

I did get stopped last summer in a customers car which had failed the MOT a couple of days earlier due to emissions, they did their radio checks, where it turned out it wasn't "insured" e.g. on the MID insurance database, but my trade policy fully covered it after much saga. The difficult part was explaining that I have no idea who or where the car was registered too. I drove off, all was good. No conviction for invalid mot, whatever that is!
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Post by Logi on Thu Jan 12, 2017 4:16 am

Bummer,  but I'm agreeing with Matt again,  Wink no points for no MOT, been there, been fined. It's not seen as the crime of the century.
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Post by Woodie on Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:24 am

I am not trying to argue anything Matt or Logi. I have merely stated  what I have been told by the DVSA/DVLA/Visa  whatever they are calling themselves  in whatever stage of Evolution they are in at this moment in time.
The lady was perfectly clear about it and so is my Mot garage. Leaving it at that. I don't want to ruffle any more feathers over this. One point though which you do know Matt,  is that by taking the vehicle in 30 days before the Mot is up and it passes the test you get the remaining 30 days or however many days left on the previous Mot added on. Hence you can have an Mot of395 days in length. Good point about the" No points" on you licence though. I believe that you are right about that unless the "Evolutionists"  have changed that as well.

Right goodnight. I am going back to sleep.  Sleep HOPEFULLY !!
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Post by Woodie on Thu Jan 12, 2017 12:53 pm

Well I have been back onto the DVLA again this morning and once again spoke to another lady who has given me completely the OPPOSITE INFORMATION. She, as Matt has emphatically stressed says that if you take the vehicle in 30 days or later for an Mot, and it fails the test, providing that it is not considered dangerous, making it unroadworty, then you can continue to drive the vehicle up to the current Mot expiry date.
However I have gone onto a DVLA FORUM and found someone asking the same question and the answer from a Mot Motor Trader gives conflicting information within his own post.
So I will dig a bit deeper as another Mot garage I know said the same thing that I was told. That if it fails then the current Mot is null and void. This is a bit of a Minefield.
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Post by HighlyJetted on Thu Jan 12, 2017 1:41 pm

Woodie wrote:

That image is taken from here http://forums.motester.co.uk/forum3/3857.html

This is a private forum, based around the subject of MOT testing and testers.
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