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Post by jamesgates1000 on Mon Feb 19, 2018 6:07 pm

Hi, how much is a decent 1.6 headlight worth these days?
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Post by Raggy on Mon Feb 19, 2018 8:41 pm

1.6?
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Post by Woodie on Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:09 pm

1600 eh?? Nice. Rolling Eyes
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Post by jamesgates1000 on Tue Feb 20, 2018 5:45 am

Sorry meant 3.0 v8... (1.3)
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Post by Woodie on Tue Feb 20, 2018 6:42 am

James you are such a Plonker. You have woken me up at this unearthly hour that I am going to have to kill you now. In ten minutes time when I have fully awoken. Ruddy pest.
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Post by PvdB on Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:32 am

Sorry, a bit off topic... but is there anyone who finished the 1.3 to 1.6 conversion?
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Post by PFM on Tue Feb 20, 2018 7:21 pm

Woodie, really! Still asleep at 0640???

James - if it's a really good one I'll give you £20 for it.

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Post by Woodie on Tue Feb 20, 2018 9:39 pm

You tight arse!!! Is it a nearside or an offside?
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Post by scotia on Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:37 am

PvdB wrote:Sorry, a bit off topic... but is there anyone who finished the 1.3 to 1.6 conversion?

i have heard from some but never actually seen one
have you seen the project ernie info from higlyjetted?
i think almost all the info is there that you should need.. i say do it PvdB !! I would love to see that man What a Face
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Post by jamesgates1000 on Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:02 am

I have both on good condition
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Post by Woodie on Wed Feb 21, 2018 10:36 am

I think that the main reason Ernie never got finished - when Matt and I were both wanting to do the same project, was that the 1300 doesn't have a Rev-Limiter. The top revs of the engine were controlled by the ECU limiting the maximum amount of fuel going into the engine.

SO as a 1600 engine is around 25% larger that means to me that a 1600 engine would be getting 25%.less fuel at full throttle so cutting the engine revs down to around 4000, or less. Plus Matt had used larger injectors from a Mazda so cutting the revs down even more.

I asked if -the ECU could be re-mapped to supply more fuel and he seemed to think not - or not very easily anyway. I think it needed an ECU a cross between the 1300 and the 1600 Grand Move both of which I have. I did enquire with various Electronics Companies about it and some said yes - others said no. The ones that said yes reckoned on costs of anything between £400 and up to £1000.

But with LPG there is no form of top-end limiting. Interesting. As it is I have the Country's only Prins LPG Dealer near me in Dorset so it may be worth a chat with him to see if running LPG is an option.
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Post by PvdB on Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:30 pm

Woodie wrote:I think that the main reason Ernie never got finished - when Matt and I were both wanting to do the same project, was that the 1300 doesn't have a Rev-Limiter. The top revs of the engine were controlled by the ECU limiting the maximum amount of fuel going into the engine.

SO as a 1600 engine is around 25% larger that means to me that a 1600 engine would be getting 25%.less fuel at full throttle so cutting the engine revs down to around 4000, or less. Plus Matt had used larger injectors from a Mazda so cutting the revs down even more.

I asked if -the ECU could be re-mapped to supply more fuel and he seemed to think not - or not very easily anyway. I think it needed an ECU a cross between the 1300 and the 1600 Grand Move both of which I have. I did enquire with various Electronics Companies about it and some said yes - others said no. The ones that said yes reckoned on costs of anything between £400 and up to £1000.

But with LPG there is no form of top-end limiting. Interesting. As it is I have the Country's only Prins LPG Dealer near me in Dorset so it may be worth a chat with him to see if running LPG is an option.

Thanks Woodie! This is some info that I never heard before and is useful for me. Yesterday I've picked up an 1300 engine. So if the time is there I can investigate how to get a bit more power for our mean machines. Either getting more power form a 1300 or switching to a 1600. All info and ideas are welcome Smile
Perhaps I need to consider starting a topic about it...
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Post by Woodie on Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:47 pm

I've got several 1600 engines sat about in my lock up should you decide to go down that route.
The 1600 engine develops 94bhp 30bhp more than the 1300.
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Post by Woodie on Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:58 pm

I found an Engine tuner outside London who specializes in tuning 1600 Daihatsu engines for oval track racing. He could supply a gas flowed head with Piper Camshaft producing around 120-125bhp, or a fully lightened and balanced high spec engine producing around 150 - 160bhp.
That was about 3 years ago and he was talking around £2000 for that engine. I was going to go for it - but then I got hit with the Strokes and couldn't work any more so that was the end of that.
But hey 94bhp isn't that bad is it. My Grand Move will easily do 70 in fourth gear and I won't say what I have had out of it in 5th.
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Post by scotia on Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:44 am

they often swap the G102 charade 1.3 over here with the 1.6 applause one.
i think pre 98 applause has 105hp.
they use the 1300 charade gearbox and ecu so it will sprint faster.
and the charade is one of the cars that actualy gain from a decent podfilter system instead of most cars just sucking in hot air and loosing hp.
ive seen guys dyno them and with some small cheap mods (exhaust,podfilter,1.6inlet) and get 120 hp out of the 1.6 swapped charades.
one of my mates has one for years and it runs great for a car with 120hp and weighing 850-900kg or someting.

here he is against a bmw 2.5 6 cyl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D6yz2mhYLU

and here against a Honda civic intergra 1.8 16v https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUwN_DszsnQ

and there is also the charade detomasso that has got a different cam and upgraded ecu if i remember correctly.

the g200 charades are able to being 1.6 swapped to but they are far less aggresive than the older g100 charades.
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Post by Woodie on Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:31 am

You certainly know your Daihatsu's Scotia. Only thing I can add to that is that the Dean Thomas's 1600 was 125bhp.
The original DeTomasso Company was bought by Ford I believe. Back in the 70's the Landlord of one of our local pubs owned a Panterra. Damned expensive car then. They use a Ford V8 engine and somewhere along the lines Ford became involved in importing them into America.
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Post by scotia on Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:09 pm

yes i know that type, i have seen it on fast n loud garage once.
nice litle car that is indeed.
they also painted it in verry nice colour.













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Post by Raggy on Thu Feb 22, 2018 8:40 pm

Yes, saw that one.
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Post by verryoldman on Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:05 pm

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Post by Raggy on Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:04 pm

That looks very interesting and a good price considering what they do. Looks like they would disassemble the glass from the lens, re chrome the lens, re polish the glass then fit the two back together. Looks good results on the website.
They do right to left conversion so maybe that opens some options, you can buy LHD headlight so maybe you could have them converted to solve the lack of supply issue?
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Post by Woodie on Thu Mar 01, 2018 10:03 am

I would like to see them do that on a Hi-Jet Unit Raggy. For that money I would send half a dozen units. But I don't think that would happen somehow.
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Post by Raggy on Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:20 pm

Worthwhile inquiring for one and see what kind of job they do. Reports on the other link to the users website look good.
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Post by Woodie on Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:38 pm

No sorry Raggy. It clearly says (pardon the pun) that they can accept Reflectors only and all brackets clips and plastic fittings must be removed before sending or they will surcharge €10.
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Post by Woodie on Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:50 pm


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Post by Raggy on Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:15 pm

Well spotted, missed that bit about surcharge but even so is it not a good price?
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Post by Woodie on Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:36 pm

Absolutely Raggy. The company in Kent I haggled with wanted nearly £120 per reflector and if I sent 10 Reflectors they offered 15% discount.
I had stripped 6 Headlights ready for Re-Silvering and as is typical of this apathetic Forum, nobody would spend the cash. That's why I charge £150 for a good Headlight.

It takes up to 2 hours to strip a Hi-Jet Headlight down WITHOUT BREAKING ANYTHING especially the little ball joints. Break one of those and the light is scrapped. Getting the glass off without breaking it is a modern miracle. Heating it up in the oven to get the glass off, as a few have found out, isn't always such a good idea.
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Post by Raggy on Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:12 am

Maybe the extra surcharge to let them take the glass off and refit would be worth it then rather than risk it yourself maybe.
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Post by Woodie on Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:47 am

"We assume no Warranty or Liability for Accessories". I think that just about sums up that it is Reflectors only Raggy.
It would certainly be nice to think that someone would strip down a Hella Headlight for €10.

The complexity of the strip down is a right pain.

For those who are new to the Forum, Hella in France and Italy stopped making them around 2005/6 I believe. Daihatsu when I joined the Forum in 2003 were selling Headlights for £500.each at the time they ran out of them.

Right hand dip /Left hand drive Headlights are still available I believe..
At the time (2005)you could buy new Hella ones in Italy for €45. Highly Jetted and I in 2003 were selling secondhand ones for £35 - £45. each. If only we had been more shrewd.

I did consider taking a van down to Italy at the time to buy a hundred Headlights but was put off the idea by a friend who had a friend of his buy some household goods in Italy and whilst stopped at a Truck Stop had the van and contents stolen. The Van was nothing special but he was sure that it was an insider knowledge job.
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Post by scotia on Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:40 am

i can do some research for you guys on the lhd ones.
if i find anything i will let you know.

i also saw this a while back , its an amazing chrome paint.
i have never seen anything close to this.
take a look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBtdU10PIcE&t=7s

its called alsa chrome paint
i did a quick search and found the cheapest cans for 55euro per can.
i know you guys tried different sprays before but look at the result from that alsa spray.
Remember i just did a fast 5 minute search on the price so dont bash me if you find it much cheaper..
They offcourse offer a whole kitt with basecoat and degreaser etc but thats bullcrap.. they just want to make a bunch of money.
i think the spray only will do the job.
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Post by PvdB on Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:35 am

Wow... awesome stuff!

Really would like to give that a go. See what kind of crazy things you can spray with that Smile
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