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Post by ax16vts on Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:04 pm

Im looking at a hijet for a basic camper conversion, ie mattress over a suspended wooden platform, with storage and a pull out cooker underneath.

Which is the engine i want to be going for - the 1 litre or the 1.3? Speed isnt the main issue - priorities are:

Reliability
Economy
Parts availability (reasonably priced!)
Speed

Also, having looked thru the forum i see that adaptors or wheel nuts are required to change to alloys - ive been into ax's and 106's for a while now so have some 14" vts alloys - any problems with these fouling?

Interior wise is there much you can do - i can weld etc, and have access to a lathe etc at work so the nuts and bolts of modifying it dont bother me, but the seats look pretty uncomfortable!

The first vehicle i drove after i passed my test 21 years ago was my dads old honda acty van until i got my mk2 escort - happy days, especially when it was windy! There was that much plastic padding in it, if id hit anything i would have choked to death on the dust!
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Post by Logi on Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:09 pm

Hello Very Happy
I'd go for the 1300, cos i've got one Question They're all fun though.
Reliable? Possibly.....
Economical? Definitely.
Reasonably priced parts? Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Laughing
Speed? There's enough What a Face

Seats can be improved

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Post by 8bit-ash on Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:40 pm

i'd say the 1.3 is plenty fast enough but I don't consider mine economical. I'd definitely not have it if it didn't have LPG fitted.

Wheel wise I honestly wouldn't waste your time trying to bodge a set on, Trust me I tried everything and ended up getting a set with the correct pcd after a year of searching. People use wobbly nuts etc but would you really want to increase the risk of an accident when your driving around in a square tin can.
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Post by difflock123 on Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:25 am

well as a contrast, I had a 1.0L 3 cylinder model Smile

I got 30mpg from mine, but I thrashed it everywhere (I knew it wouldnt pass its next MOT).....
I had a cone filter under the seat (a bit noisy, but the engine did run cooler), and it started leaking from the head gasket (a tub of K Seal stopped that!)



not once did the little hijet let me down really!



I cant say if the 1.3 4 cylinder would be the same, as I've never owned one.....




the only thing that would concern me with the 1.3 is the peak torque is higher up the rev range I believe.....
the little 1.0L 3 cylinder is a very grunty little engine really Smile




the best advice I can suggest though.....is go and drive one of each.....
see if you prefer one engine over the other.....

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Post by pasiro on Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:39 pm

I'd go for 1.3 any day of the week, whether my thoughts would differ on that if I'd actually driven anything else I don't know, but the whole idea sounds sensible, i.e. having a bigger engine you shouldn't have to give it as much welly to get everywhere, therefore less welly should equal more MPG Laughing
I do find the 1.3 to be very torquey and find myself getting up most hills in my area, in fifth, which means it isn't revving it's nuts off trying to get up the hills and should mean more MPG
How my theories stand up in practice I have yet to find out in due course, I think I'm getting around 40 MPG but I haven't measured accurately yet Wink

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Post by HighlyJetted on Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:57 pm

I vote for the 1.3 also. Owned a 1.3, but drove a 1.0 a few times.

1.3 has more power than you'd expect in a little van, overtakes things great and will go off the end of the speedo.

1.0 is a good motor too, has a nice three cylinder growling sound (like half of a v6 Laughing ), and zips along quite happily too.
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cheers!

Post by ax16vts on Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:44 pm

well its looking like the 1.3 then.

Unfortunatley ive been spoiled with economy as ive got a 1.5 diesel pug 106, which no matter what you do to it you cant get it below 60 to the gallon, and if your real careful you can achieve 70! Its also cheap for spares....

Also got a citroen ax with the saxo vtr motor in it, thats not so economical but still cheap!

I have looked into a "camper" conversion for a diesel pug 106 van, with the seats folded forward there is just enough room to lay out for me and the missus, and with a bit of clever bodgery i figured i would be able to create something that i could sleep in, and using the back half of another make a trailer that contained all the cooking gear, spare battery, water etc for a weekend away.

Its either that or a hijet van, simply converted - theres pros and cons to each, ie the hijet has more room but the pug would cost far less to run and maintain...
I know its a bit like how long is a piece of string, but what are we talking in terms of hijet reliability if its reasonably well maintained, oil changed regularly, cam belt done when i get one etc - are they known for eating engines, brakes, shocks etc?

Am i correct in my interpretation of the tax group that pre y plate its £130 a year, and a newer one is £210? Also, if you reregister it as a motorhome does that figure drop?

Common faults to look out for when buying besides overheating and the rusty arches?

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Post by pasiro on Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:51 pm

I had a Pug 106 diesel, but that was 1.4 and economy wasn't that great, 40 at a push if I remember correctly, the van I had after that was a Citroen C15 1.8 and pretty good, even thrashed it'd get around 47 to the gallon. Not sure what this does yet, I don't think it's quite as good but as petrol is a lot cheaper than diesel these days it's probably costing no more in fuel Smile

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Post by difflock123 on Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:23 pm

I bought my hijet 1.0 for a few hundred quid with 6 months MOT and tax on it....

it was cheap because I knew it wouldnt pass its next MOT.....


it had done (according to the speedo), ~85,000 miles.....


it needed an oil change when I got it.....but I never did it Embarassed
I replaced the air filter with a cone filter I had (it was cheaper than buying a new element).....

the radiator wasnt healthy, and the head gasket was showing signs of leaking....

I thrashed that van everytime I drove it, and in 6 months it overheated a few times, but it still kept going....
I only stopped 3 times in those 6 months to actually let it cool down a bit!

If I knew I was keeping it, I'd have replaced the rad and the head gasket (which would have all but cured the overheating problems).....


oh, and even after it ended up standing for 6~9 months, it fired up easily with jumpleads......






I miss my little hijet really Sad




just remember to leave the heater on hot all the time, and the vents set to the 2nd setting (open, but fan not running)
it helps keep them cooler Smile

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Post by 8bit-ash on Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:55 pm

How far do you plan on going too? I've only been about 60 miles from home in mine. if I was planning on doing loads of long motorway journeys I think i'd consider a vehicle change. Although some people will disagree I don't think the hijet is an ideal motorway vehicle. It wouldn't take much of an accident to loose your legs.
Have you considered something like a Seat inca/VW caddy? 50 mpg all day long, nice and smooth and quiet to drive, cheap parts, plenty of room for a small camper conversion and you can do car speeds where as in the hijet you have lower speed limits.

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Post by HighlyJetted on Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:36 pm

I say everyone should own a hijet at least once, and I bet you'll go on to own a few once its grown on you.

There's something light hearted and silly about them. Such a stupid little car but so very useful and full of character.

Where else can you get a mid engined rwd "race car like chassis"?

And at 900kg, the wopping 64bhp and 73lb-ft will burn away nearly all milk floats and mobility scooters.
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Post by waz on Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:09 pm

I just done 2000 mile trip in mine so I would say very reliable. see long trip in the van

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Post by Logi on Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:02 pm

HighlyJetted wrote:

And at 900kg, the wopping 64bhp and 73lb-ft will burn away nearly all milk floats and mobility scooters.

And 1.0 litre Corsa's with a big drainpipe exhaust can be made to look silly away from the lights Twisted Evil
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Post by sammyboy on Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:32 pm

Struggled to get 40mpg from a 106 diesel? Something was BADLY wrong with that car. I've had a Citroen XM with the 2.1 litre diesel, and a BX and ZX with the 1.9, all three would top 50 on motorway runs. I had an AX diesel with that same 1.4 engine, and I also could get over 70 on a long and careful run. I literally cannot imagine what you'd have to do to get it DOWN to 40mpg.

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Post by pasiro on Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:37 pm

urban running was rarely much over 40 and motorway rarely up to 50, although I did have my foot to floor all the time on the motorways Very Happy

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Post by difflock123 on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:48 am

remember the Peugeot 106 1.4 diesel werent a good engine compared to the 1.5....

they suffered from overheating, warped heads, etc......

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Post by ax16vts on Wed Oct 26, 2011 2:54 pm

you would actually think that the 1.4 would be more economical than the 1.5 as it was an ally block and therefore lighter. The engine was shared with the 106, saxo, ax and metro but the 1.5 was a much better one.

Ive had two, both return the same sort of figures, brother in law has one, again same figures - all with the 1.5 engine. there must have been a big diesel leak somwhere to get that low!


Anyway, i initially thought about the hijet/rascal/carry having had previous experience with the acty, but i thought that it would have been more economical than 35 ish to the gallon, that said the economy is offset somewhat by the extra cost of a newer more economical van, and the cheaper tax.

I intend putting a fair few miles on it each year, hopefully 2-300 at weekends and maybe more if we have a week away in it. Getting there quick isnt a priority so that doesnt bother me, and after years of flying about on a bike i cant say that im overly concerned about being sat right at the front either!
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Post by pasiro on Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:10 pm

ax16vts wrote:there must have been a big diesel leak somwhere to get that low!

The engine was sound, no problems whatsoever, just uneconomical and very slow, going up the hills on the M1 and I'd be down to 55 mph at times, it just never felt like the 1.4 diesel was powerful enough

ax16vts wrote:and after years of flying about on a bike i cant say that im overly concerned about being sat right at the front either!
or leaning over in the corners Laughing

I don't think personally that being sat right up front is a big deal, at the end of the day if you run into the back of someone it's your fault, learns you to take more care and give yourself more braking room Laughing

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Post by ax16vts on Wed Oct 26, 2011 3:26 pm

pasiro wrote:
ax16vts wrote:there must have been a big diesel leak somwhere to get that low!

The engine was sound, no problems whatsoever, just uneconomical and very slow, going up the hills on the M1 and I'd be down to 55 mph at times, it just never felt like the 1.4 diesel was powerful enough

There is however a common fault on the pug diesels whereby an overpressure valve that is designed to stop you going mad with the rubber squeezy bulb opens and doesnt fully close leaking diesel and/or air. If it had been leaking a small amount continuouslly you may not have noticed but would have seen it in the figures.
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Post by HighlyJetted on Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:29 pm

Logi wrote:
HighlyJetted wrote:

And at 900kg, the wopping 64bhp and 73lb-ft will burn away nearly all milk floats and mobility scooters.

And 1.0 litre Corsa's with a big drainpipe exhaust can be made to look silly away from the lights Twisted Evil

I agree, many a boy racer will meet his match against a hijet with a mad man behind the wheel. Featuring a motor sport inspired close ratio gearbox you can make the most of the power and beat quite a few motors at the traffic light drag strip.

Looks on other peoples faces when you get a big drift on round a roundabout is worth every penny too. They also handle really well and can be driven with full on commitment when desired. (many a soul will think I'm joking but seriously they are pretty hot down the back lanes)

Only bad points really are the side winds throw you about, and speed humps are like one of those bucking bronco/mechanical bull machines.
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Post by difflock123 on Wed Oct 26, 2011 8:45 pm

yes, hijets handle surprisingly well.....as long as body roll doesnt scare you!


I've shot away from the lights beating quite a few chavs/boy racers/etc Smile




great fun (especially with a cone filter, for LOADS of induction noise outside the vehicle :p)

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Post by rich the mechanic on Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:22 pm

I have yet to get ours stepped out in a drift but have had the rear wheels off the ground in an emergency stop/endo.
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Post by HighlyJetted on Thu Oct 27, 2011 12:18 am

You need to pitch it into the corner carefully not making it body roll otherwise just the inside wheel spins up. I also found changing it up a gear then ride the clutch to get the revs up then just as the right moment let go of the clutch to help it let go. Heeling an toeing the go pedal and the stop pedal helps you can get the weight over the front wheels with gentle brakes while keeping the revs there ready to let go of the clutch and over power the back wheels.

Its all about getting the weight transfer in the right place. I got it originally by driving really hard down the same back road ever day, on a couple of corners I could tank it really hard, then started to let the back end slip out a bit - bloody brown trouser scared at first mind you, but then the confidence grew. In the end I learnt to expect it to let go and ride it out, so I would turn in a little earlier then slide it through the certain corners.

It has gone wrong a fair few times. My old silver MPV had been in a few hedges and grassy banks backwards. The pick up got spanked for 48 hours down the back road before I took it apart, but with the big gay wheels on - it had far too much grip to let go, well for the amount of power it packed.

Word of warning! Don't go for any more than about 30 degrees of drift, otherwise you'll do a dizzy rascal.

Fix up look sharp, pull your silly van back out the dirt.

When you get it right you'll buzz! The tarmac is that little bit damp, and that nice smooth tarmac you get in places... you can do a big corner with a bit of a slide on, bouncing of the rev limiter and it'll stink of melting rubber. Twisted Evil Hijet Power!
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Post by Logi on Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:05 am

A nice smooth, wet roundabout can keep you amused for ages Very Happy . Biggest fright i got was on the one way system here, there's an S bend that i'd played on years ago when i had RWD but having had FWD for years hadn't really taken much notice of it. Had the 'Jet a few days, wet day, decides to play in the traffic. Thought i was going over, hadn't noticed they'd put Shellgrip tarmac down just after the apex of the last bend............

That shit works affraid
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Post by difflock123 on Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:47 am

before I replaced the tyres (they were about worn out anyway), I found that if your in 1st gear travelling slowly (just on the throttle, but off the clutch), floor it and then start pressing the brakes at the same time.......

keep applying the brakes until you just about stop, and the back tyre(s) will spin up and smoke nicely! Twisted Evil






as for drifting, start turning into a corner (2nd gear always seemed to be best) and then just plant it hard and let the tail go Smile
my 1.0 would drift nicely!


I did scare a friend of mine though......:p

he'd never been in my hijet before (or any for that matter), so when I hadn't slowed down for the corner, he got a little worried :p
taking the van sideways through the bend put an interesting expression on his face! something like this affraid




but the BEST fun is definitely keeping up with a chav/boy racer on a twisty road.........
they get a bit concerned/upset/etc Twisted Evil

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Post by rich the mechanic on Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:07 pm

I won a half day course at Mercedes-Benz world and could not get the car to drift on the skid pan

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1585398836210&set=t.100000678941700&type=3

But I have been rallying and throwing a mk2 escort in sideways in a quarry.
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Post by HighlyJetted on Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:13 am

Did it have some form of stability control or traction control? Its very good at keeping cars in shape nowadays.

I believe MK2 Escorts are great for the over steer and a bit of the old Scandinavian flick, not that I've ever had a go, but watching the stage rallies there is always an old escort proper sideways.
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Post by Logi on Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:33 am

Dunno about MK2's but MK1's did, so as basically the same floorpan i'd guess they'd be similar. In my experience MK3 Cortinas and Capri's were excellent Very Happy cheers
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Post by rich the mechanic on Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:22 pm

the ralley car was a higgins family car full on classic rally spec and is huge fun the merc had the traction interfearing shit turned off
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Post by HighlyJetted on Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:33 am

Non of that skanky mk4 or mk3 rust bucket fwd junk hey Rich.
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