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Post by bwms on Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:46 am

Hi all,

so the Carry is due to arrive friday. I'll post a few pics and that should help with my query.

I've been thinking about what to do first. I get very uncomfortable with rusty sills and arches.

I've got a few wire brushes for drills that ive used on trailer wheels. It's not very satisfactory as tends to glaze over metal.

I have a compressor although it needs repairing. Any suggestions for rust removal tools or techniques?

I know it's just buying time and nothing lasts forever. Are any rust treatments better than others in your experience?

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Post by 8bit-ash on Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:28 am

Angle grinder and wire wheel.

I've used Vactan which is good if used in warm weather. I've also heard good things about Hamerite no1 rust beater. I've used it on the hijet but can't give any long term feedback. It goes on nice, although I had an old tin and had to buy a new tin. The new stuff must be a different formula as its much thinner and has different dry times.

A lot of people bang on about bilt hamber too. never used it though http://www.bilthamber.com/corrosion-treatments
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Post by bwms on Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:20 pm

Hi, thanks for that. Think I'll see what my local guys stocks but I like that bilt stuff webpage.

Do you mean angle grinder like this
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cat52-4in-air-angle-grinder

Or something more like this
http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/cat86-diy-multi-sander-kit

Likely to be bit tight for cash now but that sanding kit looks the business. I am ofen buying airtools for a single project then never seem to use them again Sad
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Post by 8bit-ash on Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:11 pm

I was thinking more along the lines of http://www.toolstation.com/shop/115mm+Angle+Grinder/p36919

Cheap and electric so no need to get the compressor fixed.

I always buy cheap Aldi/lidl etc ones and abuse them til they die. I've gone through loads of those twist wire wheels in my time and they work great.
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Post by HighlyJetted on Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:42 pm

If your going to spend hard earned cash on an angle grinder treat yourself to a real tool:-

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MAKITA-9554NB-4-5-115mm-ANGLE-GRINDER-240V-/170856453585?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item27c7d695d1#ht_785wt_956

You'll have it for years, work the arse off it time after time, drop it, leave it in the rain and still the switch will work and the motor will keep going.

These are pretty handy too for when you have finished grinding and want to get a smoothish surface ready to paint.

http://www.silverlinetoolsdirect.com/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=115mm&category_id=309&product_id=3109
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Post by bwms on Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:50 pm

Thanks guys. I used to have an angle grinder, I lent it to someone and they never gave it back Sad

Never really liked using it, very bloody dangerous things, lots of power and torque in something small and difficult to grip. I've treated a few angle grinder facial injuries in the past.

I think there is an argument for paying more for quality. Equally at the moment I don't have the money to choose so cheap and likely single use it will be.

You get wire wheels to go on angle grinders? Isn't that far too fast to control?

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Post by 8bit-ash on Tue Jun 26, 2012 6:59 pm

yeah these ones linked up earlier -

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Twist+Knot+Wheel/p21989

and these http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Power+Tool+Accessories/Wire+Abrasives/Wire+Crimped+Cup+75mm/d80/sd1920/p68932

But they don't last as long.

Good set of thick gloves, ear and eye defenders and a bit of care and they're ok.
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Post by HighlyJetted on Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:04 pm

Yep ear plugs are very much required when working under wheel arches, and some decent safety glasses. Gloves on the other hand make me a bit clumsy and the grinder would just eat them in a second anyway.

Those wire brush things are a bit dodgy, little bits of wire come flying off them at serious speed.
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Post by 8bit-ash on Tue Jun 26, 2012 9:20 pm

HighlyJetted wrote:

Those wire brush things are a bit dodgy, little bits of wire come flying off them at serious speed.

Yeah the non twisty ones are. They jam in your clothes and poke through. Twisty ones however i've used for years without issues.
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Post by bwms on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:53 am

Thanks for that all of you.

Looks like I'll be stocking up on twisty wire brushes.

Called the company yesterday for compressor part. £1.34 +vat. Win!
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Post by HighlyJetted on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:09 am

What part is it?

My safety blow off valve failed a while back, but found another one similar in a local engineering place for a few quid, but this one isn't rated quite high enough so when it makes max pressure it leaks a bit, so I've taped it up Neutral
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Post by bwms on Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:28 am

The compressor has two wheels and one foot . . . its inherently unstable and falls over all the the time. Last time the elbow joint broke.



Still have to figure out how to get the retained brass bit out, mole grips keep slipping off.
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Post by HighlyJetted on Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:15 am

Blow lamp plus an easyout

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5PCE-DAMAGED-BOLT-SCREW-STUD-EXTRACTOR-REMOVER-EASY-OUT-/190529701862#ht_2235wt_1199

they sell them in halfrauds too. Warning, don't snap the easy out in the hole, you cannot drill them out as they are really hard.

Otherwise I have this really nice set of snap-on grippers which bite even harder when you put anti clockwise force on the grips, who ever designed the jaws on them really worked on the shape and teeth.
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Post by bwms on Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:27 pm

Thanks for that.

I wonder, do you screw one of these COUNTERCLOCKWISE into the hole of broken part, once it binds tight (look tapered), continued counterclockwise rotation is transferred to the broken part hopefully pulling it out?

Clarke compressors are sending out the new bit, just over a fiver delivered. Worthwhile to have use of airtools again but I will probably go buy an electric angle grinder at the weekend. Unless machine mart have an offer on airtools. Their quality is pretty poor but i like the idea of being able to control speed and take things easier on thinner metal parts.
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Post by PFM on Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:46 pm

[quote="bwms"]I wonder, do you screw one of these COUNTERCLOCKWISE into the hole of broken part, once it binds tight (look tapered), continued counterclockwise rotation is transferred to the broken part hopefully pulling it out?

Yes. Listed on the Toolstation website at only £2.52, so I'm off down there as I can't find mine and need to take a steering lock off my breaking van.

http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Power+Tool+Accessories/Speciality+Drills+Chucks/Screw+and+Bolt+Extractor+Set+5+Piece/d80/sd1400/p51010

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Post by HighlyJetted on Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:10 pm

PFM, if your talking about the ignition barrel snap off security bolts I just do them with a little chisel and a hammer. Just chase them round.

p.s. never used tool station, but looking at the site they seem really good, and I have a branch about 20 minutes away. good link!
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Post by HighlyJetted on Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:21 pm

p.p.s Wonder how well your air supply when continuously running the grinder on your compressor will keep up?

I find my little blue point die grinder eats air, almost as bad as sandblasting. My compressor makes about 13 cfm.
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Post by waz on Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:22 pm

I got given a set but never knew how to use then. Do you drill into the broken screw the insert the extractor? or what.

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Post by bwms on Fri Jun 29, 2012 7:24 pm

Drill a pilot hole into the broken screw/bolt. Then screw the extractor into this. I'll try and take a pic tomorrow.
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Post by rich the mechanic on Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:31 pm

The little angled die grinders as great I have a cheepy ebay one at home but a good 3M for work but they are worth it if you get the right CFM to suit the compressor they don't eat air so bad if I Use the work one at home the air is gone in 30 seconds but the home one lasts just over a minute an other version in the finger sander these also work a treat but better for the small bits with the sander you can get a 2" and 3" disc set and really soft scotch mops to 60 grit grinding grade.
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Compressor is dead, long live toolsataion angle grinder

Post by bwms on Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:35 pm

Fitted new elbow joint to compressor. Fired her up and . . . air pissing out everywhere Embarassed

So much for cheap fix, was knackered in more than one place. To the dump on tuesday. Using dads 4x4 I might add, as Darlington council it seems don't allow vans to their recycling facility. They would prefer I fly-tip?!

Did a bit of grinding with angle electric and scouring pad thingie. Pretty hard core as the rust was only surface. Sprayed it up for the sake of coverage.

Maybe this weekend wheels off, arches cleaned, treated and sealed.

Got custom made stainless steel exhaust system fitted last friday, will post separate thread and pics as it is something to behold . . . lovely bit of kit Very Happy
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